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Paul Tudor Jones built his name by seeing trouble before most of Wall Street did.<\/p>\n
The wealthy investor made a legendary profit from the 1987 stock market fall after researching parallels between the market conditions and the time of the 1929 catastrophe.<\/p>\n
Almost four decades later, Jones isn’t forecasting a second Black Monday.<\/p>\n
But he worries about what higher stock market values would signify for investors over a much longer time horizon.<\/p>\n
Jones warned on Patrick O’Shaughnessy’s Invest Like the Best podcast in April that buying the S&P 500 at high valuations could yield low or negative forward returns. Jones said long-term investors would struggle to profit from those starting levels.<\/p>\n
Part of his worry was the size of the stock market compared to the U.S. economy. Jones pointed to the US stock market valuation of around 252% of gross domestic product, much above levels surrounding prior significant market tops.<\/p>\n
Since Jones made those statements, the market has altered. But a new Bank of America report reaches a similar conclusion.<\/p>\n
In a note dated Sept. 14, the bank said many of its valuation metrics now suggest negative S&P 500 returns over the next decade.<\/p>\n
That is hardly a forecast of an impending collapse.<\/p>\n
It’s a caution against something that may be more vexing for long-term investors: paying high prices now and having very little to show for it years from now.<\/p>\n
Paul Tudor Jones sees an unusually expensive stock market<\/p>\n
Jones believes U.S. equities have become extraordinarily large relative to the economy.<\/p>\n
In an interview published April 28 with Invest Like the Best, Jones said the U.S. is more “over-equitized” than at any previous moment in its history.<\/p>\n
Jones estimated overall U.S. stock market value at around 252% of GDP. That is around 65% in 1929 and 170% surrounding the dot-com boom in 2000.<\/p>\n
Such analogies are not to say that today’s market is bound to replicate each occurrence.<\/p>\n
The market structure, business profitability, interest rates, and the mix of the U.S. economy have all altered dramatically throughout the decades.<\/p>\n
Rather, Jones’ point is that financial assets are crucial to the economy.<\/p>\n
If family wealth is highly concentrated in shares, then stock price swings may impact consumer confidence and spending. Falling share prices may also impact companies’ funding and investment choices.<\/p>\n
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Jones said value sent a more obvious message to investors.<\/p>\n
He cited the S&P 500’s lofty price-to-earnings ratio during his April visit and said that purchasing at such values has often been correlated with poor future returns.<\/p>\n
That is a warning of a fundamentally different kind than anticipating a market meltdown in the coming month or year.<\/p>\n
Valuation measurements are often poor instruments for predicting when markets will go up or down. Costly markets might become costlier.<\/p>\n
Instead, Jones is looking at the gains investors may make over a much longer horizon.<\/p>\n
S&P 500 valuations have changed since Jones’ warning<\/p>\n
It’s a crucial difference for investors to make.<\/p>\n
Jones’ interview, taped in February, was released in April. His value comments should not thus be taken as market measures as of September.<\/p>\n
Since then, the S&P 500 has become cheaper on at least one widely recognized metric.<\/p>\n
On Sept. 11, the index was selling at around 19.21 times forward earnings, its lowest forward price-to-earnings ratio since April 2025, according to FactSet data. Higher profit expectations helped push the multiple down even as equities remained at historically high levels.<\/p>\n
This doesn’t change Jones’ larger point.<\/p>\n
The precise value has shifted, but the anxiety about long-term returns has not.<\/p>\n
Bank of America provided further proof of it this month.<\/p>\n
The S&P 500’s normalized P\/E ratio was 32, the bank wrote in a Sept. 14 letter to clients. That statistic is different from the traditional future P\/E ratio, which compares stock prices to average earnings over many years.<\/p>\n
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Based on the historical relationship tracked by the bank, that valuation implies an average annual S&P 500 return of approximately negative 3% over the next decade.<\/p>\n
And it wasn’t the only warning sign.<\/p>\n
Bank of America calculates 10 valuation metrics. The Shiller P\/E ratio, as well as five other measures, including the price-to-book ratio and the ratio of market capitalization to GDP, likewise were predicting negative returns until 2036.<\/p>\n
Taken together, the 10 measures implied an average annual return of about negative 1.4%, according to the bank.<\/p>\n
That adds a fresh dimension to Jones’ warning, which is months old.<\/p>\n
The market isn’t trading at exactly the value he was arguing for.<\/p>\n
But some of today’s Wall Street models are coming to a similar conclusion about the future decade.<\/p>\n
Bank of America sees another way to own the S&P 500<\/p>\n
Bank of America’s study also points to a significant twist in the valuation argument.<\/p>\n
Not all parts of the market are pricey equally.<\/p>\n
The bank claimed the capitalization-weighted S&P 500 had a normalized P\/E ratio of 32, compared with a normalized multiple of about 25 for the equal-weighted version of the index.<\/p>\n
That divergence led to radically different consequences for historical returns.<\/p>\n
Bank of America’s model estimated minus 3% annual returns for the conventional S&P 500 over the next decade vs roughly positive 3% annually for the equal-weighted index.<\/p>\n
That’s important because the traditional S&P 500 provides the biggest corporations the most power over how the index performs.<\/p>\n
Equally weighted indexes, in turn, assign each component an equal weight, roughly.<\/p>\n
That doesn’t make the equal-weighted index the winner over the following 10 years. History doesn’t guarantee future value connections.<\/p>\n
Bank of America itself has cited reasons why today’s market could be more robust than its historical valuation models indicate, including the financial soundness of today’s S&P 500 corporations.<\/p>\n
But the analysis supports a major element of Jones’ case.<\/p>\n
Valuation upon entry is critical.<\/p>\n
Even if the underlying companies continue to expand, the price investors pay for future profits might impact the returns they ultimately receive.<\/p>\n
Paul Tudor Jones sees a historic problem with today’s stock market<\/p>\n
Michael Ostuni \/ Getty Images<\/p>\n
Paul Tudor Jones made his name during the 1987 crash<\/p>\n
Jones’ caution is made all the more significant given his experience with severe markets.<\/p>\n
Before the October 1987 fall, Jones and his colleagues looked at parallels between the market climate and the era of the 1929 collapse.<\/p>\n
The Dow Jones Industrial Average plunged more than 22% in a single session on Oct. 19, 1987, Black Monday, its largest one-day percentage decline.<\/p>\n
Jones had bet against the market and reportedly earned about $100 million during the crisis.<\/p>\n
That event helped cement Jones as one of the best-known macro traders on Wall Street.<\/p>\n
But his recent claim should not be seen as a prophecy that history is poised to repeat itself.<\/p>\n
Jones focused on the link between initial values and longer-term investment outcomes. He also highlighted excessive leverage in outlining the characteristics that might lead pricey markets to collapses, MarketWatch reported.<\/p>\n
That difference matters.<\/p>\n
A pricey stock market is not a certain lead-up to an imminent crash.<\/p>\n
Valuations may expand into corporate profits. Prices may remain flat. Earnings can catch up. Or value multiples might drop slowly over the course of many years.<\/p>\n
For the long-term investor, each path might lead to an entirely different conclusion.<\/p>\n
Expensive stocks create a different kind of risk<\/p>\n
Investors frequently connect market risk with severe downturns.<\/p>\n
Another take on Jones’ reasoning is that investors have paid so much for an asset that ongoing economic and profit growth nonetheless delivers lackluster investment returns.<\/p>\n
The mechanism is rather simple.<\/p>\n
Rising profits translate with rising stock values.<\/p>\n
Investors also choose how much they want to spend for each dollar of those profits.<\/p>\n
If earnings growth outpaces a falling market P\/E multiple, the two pressures may partly balance each other.<\/p>\n
That process doesn’t need a depression, recession, or financial crisis.<\/p>\n
It might take years to slowly happen.<\/p>\n
Other valuation models are also flashing similar warnings.<\/p>\n
Related: Warren Buffett sends stark warning to stock market investors<\/p>\n
A new examination of nine historically relevant valuation measures revealed that seven of them suggest the S&P 500 would underperform inflation over the next decade. The measurements, taken together, indicated an average annualized real return of minus 3.2%, although valuation signals have stayed strong for years even as equities continued to increase.<\/p>\n
That argument is a good one.<\/p>\n
Valuation may tell you something about predicted long-term returns, but it doesn’t tell you what stocks are going to do tomorrow.<\/p>\n
That’s also why a high value isn’t a countdown clock to a collapse.<\/p>\n
Paul Tudor Jones isn’t calling for another 1987<\/p>\n
Perhaps the most fundamental difference in Jones’ argument is what he is not forecasting.<\/p>\n
He’s not dating the next bear market.<\/p>\n
He’s not suggesting Black Monday is coming again.<\/p>\n
And the historical links he mentions don’t mean that investors purchasing equities now would really lose money over the next decade.<\/p>\n
His argument is about probabilities and starting prices. There is also evidence supporting a more optimistic interpretation.<\/p>\n
The forward earnings ratio on the S&P 500 had dropped to around 19 by mid-September, thanks to improving earnings projections, which made the index cheaper on that basis than it had been in 17 months.<\/p>\n
Bank of America also warned that value predictions based on history may be unduly negative since S&P 500 firms now seem different from those in other times.<\/p>\n
That creates two opposing realities for investors.<\/p>\n
On some counts, the S&P 500 isn’t as pricey as it was earlier this year.<\/p>\n
But a number of longer-run valuation measures remain high enough to suggest an abnormal lack of future returns.<\/p>\n
But Jones’ warning is right in the middle of that discussion.<\/p>\n
For an investor who made a fortune betting on one of Wall Street’s speediest disasters, he’s bringing attention to a far slower-moving danger.<\/p>\n
Investors don’t have to wait for a market crash for a dismal decade.<\/p>\n
Stocks may go sideways. Valuation multiples might decline even while earnings grow. Inflation may reduce nominal gains.<\/p>\n
Jones is not really asking what the S&P 500 will perform tomorrow.<\/p>\n
He’s asking what investors paying the high prices of today could have left in 10 years.<\/p>\n
Related: Paul Tudor Jones makes $8 billion bet on small-cap chaos<\/p>\n
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