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DUDUZILE RAMELA: The 2026 Cost of Cash Report by the South African Reserve Bank has found that, among other things, in the future cash will still be preferred by 40% of consumers for payment.<\/p>\n
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Professor Conrad Beyers is the head of the Department of Actuarial Science at the University of Pretoria. He joins us now to take a look at some aspects of this report.<\/p>\n
Thank you very much, Prof, for your time this evening. Please help us with some definitions: What is the Cost of Cash Report? What does it essentially look to find?<\/p>\n
CONRAD BEYERS: Well, the costs attached to cash. The major difference between cash transactions and electronic transactions is that cash is a physical thing, and that involves costs in a world where money has become largely digital.<\/p>\n
In South Africa about 56% of all our transactions still involve hard cash. That\u2019s a lot in a country where technically everything can be done electronically, if all the systems are in place.<\/p>\n
Attached to that, you need to keep the cash safe, you need to make it, physically \u2013 you need to do the printing and transporting of it \u2013 [and keep] it safe. Heists of R12.5 billion have been stolen, and that is just gone.<\/p>\n
And then there is the cost of security and all those things; that adds up to something close to R90\u00a0billion per year, which is very significant.<\/p>\n
Interestingly, it\u2019s also the case that the poorer part of the community of South Africa\u2019s population is using that cash.<\/p>\n
Which is an additional, let me say, tax on the poor community, where we really have the technology available to not have that cost on us.<\/p>\n
DUDUZILE RAMELA: Okay. So what do we put this down to before we get into some of the findings? We have such a number of people \u2013 over 50% in the country \u2013 who prefer cash. You\u2019ve mentioned some structural issues, but what is it that consumers are saying they prefer the cash for, and why?<\/p>\n
CONRAD BEYERS: Well, I would not really use the term \u2018prefer\u2019, but are kind of forced to use it.<\/p>\n
Of course, there is a nice aspect where we prefer to have cash in our pockets. If the payment is immediate, it is irreversible and does not need to be verified. So that\u2019s nice about cash.<\/p>\n
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Of course, simple electronic payments also have that, but many people don\u2019t have the alternative.<\/p>\n
You need of course to keep cash for outages, emergencies \u2013 and there might be connectivity issues.<\/p>\n
Interestingly, from that 50% the vast majority of people who use mostly cash are poorer people, and that comes down to a kind of tax. If you use cash a lot, it will cost 5% of everything just to use the cash, not counting paying interest or anything else.<\/p>\n
So people are kind of forced to use cash because of a lack of electronic options.<\/p>\n
An example that I have: if I get to a parking area and there\u2019s a car guard, I often find I cannot pay the person. I don\u2019t have cash, and I think a lot of people don\u2019t.<\/p>\n
The car guards, if you go and speak to them, will say, \u2018Yes, I have a QR code\u2019 \u2013 when I ask, \u2018Why don\u2019t you have a QR code?\u2019 But my bank and their banks don\u2019t talk to each other. It\u2019s not so simple. I thought that should happen.<\/p>\n
The Reserve Bank is currently thinking about creating a system where everything talks to everything, and you can scan someone\u2019s QR code\u00a0securely with your phone and so on, and the payment goes through without all these hassles.<\/p>\n
The digital movement is very slow, and we really think South Africa should not risk falling behind the rest of the world where, for example, in China they\u2019re focusing on car guards and beggars.<\/p>\n
But in China you can pay a beggar with a QR code. It\u2019s immediate, you can pay whatever you like. It\u2019s immediate. There\u2019s no connecting to this or that. In principle that is totally possible even in South Africa.<\/p>\n
That technology is available, and nearly every South African has a phone. You don\u2019t need to have the smartest smartphone to do it; everybody is connected.<\/p>\n
So cash, yes, for absolute emergencies \u2013 we all might have a little. But for everyday transactions we should aim at electronic.<\/p>\n
DUDUZILE RAMELA: That\u2019s very interesting. So to your point that consumers aren\u2019t necessarily wanting to use cash, they are just forced to \u2013 especially in underserved areas.<\/p>\n
The report looks at the indirect costs of cash. That includes time spent queuing, which came in at some R19.5\u00a0billion.<\/p>\n
I wish we had the Reserve Bank, but unfortunately they couldn\u2019t come on to tell us how we actually came to this. How do you quantify time loss?<\/p>\n
Cash-related crime \u2013 when you spoke about cash-in-transit heists, travel time, R8.3\u00a0billion, we take it for granted, I guess, when we are in spaces where we can do so easily. You just walk around the corner, go to a garage, and there\u2019s an ATM, et cetera. But there are people in underserved areas that don\u2019t necessarily have this.<\/p>\n
So maybe you can speak to us about the indirect costs of cash.<\/p>\n
CONRAD BEYERS: Actually for all the things that you mentioned, yes, there are the direct costs. But as you said, the knock-on effects of a whole economy \u2026<\/p>\n
Let\u2019s think of a whole cash economy that misses out on the immediate payment, the immediate response to prices, and all that those kinds of secondary aspects that we cannot really even measure.<\/p>\n
The R90\u00a0billion cost of cash is the stuff we can have hard measured for. We can measure how much cash was stolen, we can measure what the travel costs are, et cetera. But you\u2019re right, there are those extra factors that cannot be measured.<\/p>\n
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We cannot measure how much car guards would have had if they had had access to electronic systems.<\/p>\n
It\u2019s of course not only car guards; it\u2019s a lot of people who need to work in these environments, and they simply cannot.<\/p>\n
Currently of course, there\u2019s the ugly side of cash; it\u2019s also because of its nice properties that it\u2019s irreversible and quick. Fraud is also possible with cash. All of us know about that.<\/p>\n
I heard from someone that they keep some money [on hand], ready for the traffic cop who might ask them for something.<\/p>\n
That\u2019s the ugly side of cash, but most people are not criminals using cash \u2013 of course not. And we need to create systems to make [going cashless] possible for them; it\u2019s not impossible.<\/p>\n
We have examples in South Africa. We have a few new banks that have come up and opened and were licensed by the Reserve Bank: Bank Zero, TymeBank \u2013 those guys have zero, zero cost.<\/p>\n
You can do everything, you can transfer money, you can withdraw with electronic money and transferring.<\/p>\n
The moment you want to do a cash thing with those new banks, of course you will pay transaction costs the moment you want to do a physical thing.\u00a0But every single electronic movement is completely free \u2013 and that makes sense.<\/p>\n
Banks make money out of our money. They get interest, they can lend our money out, they get money. We don\u2019t need to pay them for being so nice as to do transactions for us. Those are old-fashioned things.<\/p>\n
The new-generation banks don\u2019t ask money for electronic transfers. Of course, yes, for the physical things as long as we still need them, they do, but the future of the money system is zero-costs, minimal costs for physical handling.<\/p>\n
And where this exists, unfortunately, among the poorer community the Reserve Bank should really move fast because we are lagging. We are going to fall behind the rest of the world where these basic systems are in place.<\/p>\n
We have the technology available; it\u2019s not rocket science. We must just implement it.<\/p>\n
DUDUZILE RAMELA: So it\u2019s incumbent upon the regulator to actually bring this to fruition. What would be some of the constraints? What would be the arguments from some of the stakeholders involved in the ecosystem to say \u2018Well, we\u2019re not moving fast on this because (a) we\u2019ll lose this\u2019, or (b) we\u2019re not moving fast on this because we still need to do this, etcetera\u2019.<\/p>\n
What do you perceive as some of the constraints that are preventing this from being realised, especially when we speak about financial inclusivity in this country, or financial inclusion?<\/p>\n
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CONRAD BEYERS: The first point about financial inclusion is: don\u2019t include someone and hand them a banking account and charge them a lot of money by including them in that way. Include them for real, so that they can do transactions.<\/p>\n
I\u2019m now hammering on the car guards: include them for real. Don\u2019t give someone a bank account and then start charging them money.<\/p>\n
But the counter arguments, of course, are that the traditional banks have a lot of salaries and things that they need to pay, and now they need to charge us costs over and above all the expensive interest. That is their argument \u2013 and they will have that argument.<\/p>\n
And when the Reserve Bank comes and calls all the banks together and says \u2018Guys, let\u2019s make this simple; it is nonsense that we have a barrier with every bank that we need to deal with\u2019.<\/p>\n
That is a very simple administrative thing.<\/p>\n
Yes, the banks will say, \u2018No, we need to pay this guy, we need to pay Mastercard, we need to pay this and that\u2019. Those are just vested interests.<\/p>\n
There\u2019s no physical barrier where those costs are needed, and that\u2019s why the cash example that you actually brought in is an example.<\/p>\n
The costs associated with hard cash \u2013 those are real, actual costs. You need to transport things, you need to insure against theft, et\u00a0cetera.<\/p>\n
Electronic cash does not have those costs, so the arguments fall flat and the only argument there is, yes, there can be bank heists, electronic bank heists in future, and we need to insure for that.<\/p>\n
So maybe, yes, there\u2019s a bit of a banking cost that they can insert there and ask us a little \u2013 but not close to the banking costs that we are seeing for transactions and electronic transactions.<\/p>\n
So, yes, the industry will fight a bit, but I think that\u2019s just a bit of conservatism in that respect.<\/p>\n
The future is free movement of funds, as happens throughout the world.<\/p>\n
DUDUZILE RAMELA: Yes, even here on the continent Rwanda has managed to achieve interoperability \u2013 though they had some hurdles. You have Nigeria. It has been found, especially by AfricaNenda Foundation, to be the number one on the continent when it comes to inclusive instant payments. So it is possible.<\/p>\n
Professor Conrad Beyers, head of the Department of Actuarial Science at the University of Pretoria, thank you.<\/p>\n
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